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its amazing to see that some people even when depressed see themselves as the center of the damn universe ……. arethusa being a wonderfull example really, you must get over this obsession with me! it’s unseemly.
shut up denise, you are going to make a fool of yourself. again. jean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and nauseating. love, denise — Every Little Thought In My Head, INC. www.scally.dynhost.com/arethusa
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please just so i can get this allll clear….are you attacking me in any way? (in which case i better come up with a mindless 5th grade retort, or preach at you something or other …yeees that is sarcasm but it’s not directed at you=) or agreeing with me or what?…or something else entirely….i just have to know
i totally agree with you. and then some. don’t feel too bad, though, she treats quite a few people like shit. jean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – its amazing to see that some people even when depressed see themselves as the center of the damn universe ……. arethusa being a wonderfull example the best… jean
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the answer…i dont , my question is where did you come up with the absurd idea that i did? such people piss me off actually and as you can see im not to shy about telling them that they do and that is all.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – IF your premise is true (and that’s a big IF), here’s the logical conclusion… Being the center of the universe doesn’t cure depression. so why do you envy such people?
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well dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes you miss my point completely….. Sorry. Leaving now. — "Some magnets attract, some magnets repel, some magnets say: oh, what the hell…" Violent Femmes, "Freak Magnet" http://www.mindspring.com/~philippa
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text: Dear wasted away, I would like to inform you that people when depressed don’t see themselves as the center of the damn universe. They are the center. And not any center. They are sinks as opposed to sources. It is like the whirlpool effect. Everything gets sucked down at the center. Hmm.. black holes perhaps? Recently, I have decided not to be a sink but some kind of statue at the center of the universe. Maybe one day I will be a source and will inspire and warm and melt and not feel guilty. But right now, I am just a statue. I am molding and covered in pigeon excrement.
Hmmm, that’s a neat way to look at it, and possibly helpful. I haven’t read a piece of advice that’s given me as much hope as this in quite a while. I don’t quite understand everything though. But from what I can tell it looks like you’re trying to go through a two-step process to self-improvement. First become a statue, up from a sink, then become a source. I just need to figure what it means to become a statue, what 12-step process in changing your thinking is involved in that, and then move from being a statue to a source once you got the statue thing secure. truthseeker (Don’t forget to change header to seekertruth0 at mindspring.com if replying by email.)
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IF your premise is true (and that’s a big IF), here’s the logical conclusion… Being the center of the universe doesn’t cure depression. so why do you envy such people?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – actually recently space has been proven to be curved Actually, this is wrong. In recent announcements by two teams excamining spatial fluctuations in the intensity of the microwave background, it was clearly shown that the geometry of the Universe on large scales is not curved, but flat. There are certainly *small regions* — such as the volume of space near a neutron star or some other compact object — where the curvature of space is quite strong. But those are very small scales compared to the scales of billions of light years that Tara was talking about. On average, on those large scales, the Universe is geometrically flat, not curved. and the universes center is a couple billion light years away from any of us, There is no such thing as "the center of the Universe." Even if the Universe were curved on large scales rather than flat, this would still be true. In fact, even if the Universe did not have infinite volume, but rather had a finite volume, this would *still* be true. There is no such thing as "the center of the Universe." To illustrate this by analogy, consider this question: where, *on the surface of the Earth*, is the center of the Earth’s surface? There isn’t one — despite the fact that the Earth has finite surface area. We now return you to your regularly scheduled flame war. -c (sig included to suggest that maybe i’m not a crank) The sig is why I said you are the expert on these things. — Chris Metzler Work Address: Harvard-Smithsonian Center 617-496-3259 (office) for Astrophysics (remove "snip-me." to email, of course) Cambridge, MA 02138 USA — Tara Ballance Montreal, Canada
And he explains so nicely, doesn’t he? I love reading what Chris writes on this topic, informative and even I can understand it. Mira
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – actually recently space has been proven to be curved Actually, this is wrong. In recent announcements by two teams excamining spatial fluctuations in the intensity of the microwave background, it was clearly shown that the geometry of the Universe on large scales is not curved, but flat. There are certainly *small regions* — such as the volume of space near a neutron star or some other compact object — where the curvature of space is quite strong. But those are very small scales compared to the scales of billions of light years that Tara was talking about. On average, on those large scales, the Universe is geometrically flat, not curved. and the universes center is a couple billion light years away from any of us, There is no such thing as "the center of the Universe." Even if the Universe were curved on large scales rather than flat, this would still be true. In fact, even if the Universe did not have infinite volume, but rather had a finite volume, this would *still* be true. There is no such thing as "the center of the Universe." To illustrate this by analogy, consider this question: where, *on the surface of the Earth*, is the center of the Earth’s surface? There isn’t one — despite the fact that the Earth has finite surface area. We now return you to your regularly scheduled flame war. -c (sig included to suggest that maybe i’m not a crank)
The sig is why I said you are the expert on these things. — Chris Metzler Work Address: Harvard-Smithsonian Center 617-496-3259 (office) for Astrophysics (remove "snip-me." to email, of course) Cambridge, MA 02138 USA
– Tara Ballance Montreal, Canada "Everyone wants to talk to the bloody Druids. What about us witches?"
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – actually recently space has been proven to be curved Actually, this is wrong. In recent announcements by two teams excamining spatial fluctuations in the intensity of the microwave background, it was clearly shown that the geometry of the Universe on large scales is not curved, but flat. There are certainly *small regions* — such as the volume of space near a neutron star or some other compact object — where the curvature of space is quite strong. But those are very small scales compared to the scales of billions of light years that Tara was talking about. On average, on those large scales, the Universe is geometrically flat, not curved. and the universes center is a couple billion light years away from any of us, There is no such thing as "the center of the Universe." Even if the Universe were curved on large scales rather than flat, this would still be true. In fact, even if the Universe did not have infinite volume, but rather had a finite volume, this would *still* be true. There is no such thing as "the center of the Universe." To illustrate this by analogy, consider this question: where, *on the surface of the Earth*, is the center of the Earth’s surface? There isn’t one — despite the fact that the Earth has finite surface area. actually everything is moving out from a center and im surprised you didnt hear it yet…
Heh. On scales larger than locally strong overdensities (which is why, for instance, the Milky Way itself is not expanding), the Universe is indeed expanding, with the distances between the galaxies growing farther apart. However, this in no way implies the existence of a center to the Universe. This is a quite common misconception among laypeople about the Big Bang model — non-scientists tend to erroneously believe that the expansion requires some sort of center from which everything expands outward. But a misconception it is — no such center is a part of the model. For more information on the physics of the Big Bang model, on how the expansion of the Universe is thought to work, etc., see any of the following standard University textbooks: E. Kolb and M. Turner, _The Early Universe_, 1990. E. Misner, K. Thorne and J. Wheeler, _Gravitation_, 1974. E. Ohanian, _Gravitation and Spacetime_, 1982. J. Peacock, _Cosmological Principles, 1998. S. Padmanabhan, _Structure Formation in the Universe_, 1994. P.J.E. Peebles, _Principles of Physical Cosmology_, 1994. S. Weinberg, _Gravitation and Cosmology_, 1972. If you prefer something less mathematical, consider Weinberg’s _The First Three Minutes_ and Padmanabhan’s _After The First Three Minutes_, both excellent works aimed at laypeople (although admittedly ones comfortable with science writing). space is curved
Again, on comparatively small (i.e. compared to characteristic extragalactic distances) scales, such as near a compact object, yes. On large scales involving hundreds of millions or billions of light years, no. Repeated assertion to the contrary, in the face of massive amounts of experimental/observational evidence to the contrary, does not make it so. Sorry. This was a rather famous result a couple of months ago — the world’s news media paid it a lot of attention — so I’m surprised that *you* haven’t heard about it. If you wish, I can give you citations to the relevant articles in Nature, and the Astrophysical Journal, when I get back in to my office in a little bit. -c — Chris Metzler Work Address: Harvard-Smithsonian Center 617-496-3259 (office) for Astrophysics (remove "snip-me." to email, of course) Cambridge, MA 02138 USA "As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized." – Chief Luther Standing Bear
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actually everything is moving out from a center and im surprised you didnt hear it yet…space is curved
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – actually recently space has been proven to be curved Actually, this is wrong. In recent announcements by two teams excamining spatial fluctuations in the intensity of the microwave background, it was clearly shown that the geometry of the Universe on large scales is not curved, but flat. There are certainly *small regions* — such as the volume of space near a neutron star or some other compact object — where the curvature of space is quite strong. But those are very small scales compared to the scales of billions of light years that Tara was talking about. On average, on those large scales, the Universe is geometrically flat, not curved. and the universes center is a couple billion light years away from any of us, There is no such thing as "the center of the Universe." Even if the Universe were curved on large scales rather than flat, this would still be true. In fact, even if the Universe did not have infinite volume, but rather had a finite volume, this would *still* be true. There is no such thing as "the center of the Universe." To illustrate this by analogy, consider this question: where, *on the surface of the Earth*, is the center of the Earth’s surface? There isn’t one — despite the fact that the Earth has finite surface area. We now return you to your regularly scheduled flame war. -c (sig included to suggest that maybe i’m not a crank) — Chris Metzler Work Address: Harvard-Smithsonian Center 617-496-3259 (office) for Astrophysics (remove "snip-me." to email, of course) Cambridge, MA 02138 USA "As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized." – Chief Luther Standing Bear
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please just so i can get this allll clear….are you attacking me in any way? (in which case i better come up with a mindless 5th grade retort, or preach at you something or other …yeees that is sarcasm but it’s not directed at you=) or agreeing with me or what?…or something else entirely….i just have to know
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – its amazing to see that some people even when depressed see themselves as the center of the damn universe ……. arethusa being a wonderfull example the best… jean
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actually recently space has been proven to be curved
Actually, this is wrong. In recent announcements by two teams excamining spatial fluctuations in the intensity of the microwave background, it was clearly shown that the geometry of the Universe on large scales is not curved, but flat. There are certainly *small regions* — such as the volume of space near a neutron star or some other compact object — where the curvature of space is quite strong. But those are very small scales compared to the scales of billions of light years that Tara was talking about. On average, on those large scales, the Universe is geometrically flat, not curved. and the universes center is a couple billion light years away from any of us,
There is no such thing as "the center of the Universe." Even if the Universe were curved on large scales rather than flat, this would still be true. In fact, even if the Universe did not have infinite volume, but rather had a finite volume, this would *still* be true. There is no such thing as "the center of the Universe." To illustrate this by analogy, consider this question: where, *on the surface of the Earth*, is the center of the Earth’s surface? There isn’t one — despite the fact that the Earth has finite surface area. We now return you to your regularly scheduled flame war. -c (sig included to suggest that maybe i’m not a crank) — Chris Metzler Work Address: Harvard-Smithsonian Center 617-496-3259 (office) for Astrophysics (remove "snip-me." to email, of course) Cambridge, MA 02138 USA "As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized." – Chief Luther Standing Bear
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its amazing to see that some people even when depressed see themselves as the center of the damn universe ……. arethusa being a wonderfull example
the best… jean
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you miss my point completely…..
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes ah well we are but only when we face up to the responsibilty of such a thing…otherwise we areant any more than animals with overactive brains Er… we *are* animals. philippa, neither vegetable nor mineral — "Some magnets attract, some magnets repel, some magnets say: oh, what the hell…" Violent Femmes, "Freak Magnet" http://www.mindspring.com/~philippa
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ah well we are but only when we face up to the responsibilty of such a thing…otherwise we areant any more than animals with overactive brains
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – its amazing to see that some people even when depressed see themselves as the center of the damn universe ……. You mean we’re not? Aware1 — Toto… I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore.
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no im not doing that at all, and i dont care what you decide to think of me.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes oh great are you one of those that’s gonna tally up the number of responses to rate your self-worth? you need therapy. heh your the only one to "welcome"me i suppose…oh well… In the depths of darkness, wasted away cried out in pain: its amazing to see that some people even when depressed see themselves as the center of the damn universe ……. arethusa being a wonderfull example Welcome on Usenet — Lylonilianaith — TC
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yes well whatever that was what i was saying …….
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the depths of darkness, wasted away cried out in pain: heh your the only one to "welcome"me i suppose…oh well… i don’t "welcome" you. You’re just welcome in the world of Usenet — Lylonilianaith — TC
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heh your the only one to "welcome"me i suppose…oh well…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the depths of darkness, wasted away cried out in pain: its amazing to see that some people even when depressed see themselves as the center of the damn universe ……. arethusa being a wonderfull example Welcome on Usenet — Lylonilianaith — TC
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well you know what fuck you you scrawny little bitch and the moral high horse you tried to ride in on and yes i know how they are spelled i just dont care that i type fast and occasionally mispell words when im tired and attacking some one spelling is pretty lame anyway you dont see me critisizing your writing style, ill say this one last fucking time for those to blind to read it ( please dont everyone get mad at me..or do whatever)….if you dont have a real comment to say to me then shutb the hell up and just ingnore me and grow the fuck up im not "chasing’ anyone if i remember correctly today was the first time i ever responded to any of her posts. trust me my small minded freind nothing makes me feel better, but why should i not be able to to the same to her that she has done to me and others eh? i never agreed to any fucking double standard and i wont accept having on thrust on me either. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + and i would like to inform you that i dont need any speach to tell me what It’s spelled speech. + it feels like i know probably as much as any of you and i would really dare + to say that i know more than most, if i would sit and write a list of all + the shit that’s happened to me in my life starting from before i could even + talk or protect myself up till this very minute i can say that i Know you + wouldnt beleive half of it. It’s spelled believe. I play a tiny violin in mock sympathy of all your pain. You are chicken shit. + yes well recently its been proven quite convincingly and right up front that + i am not anything which is what i,ve been telling myself for years, but just + to hear it really drives the point in harder No, you really are chicken shit. Why do you feel the need to chase Denise around and tell her what an awful person she is? Does it really make you feel better about yourself. + + Dear wasted away, + + I would like to inform you that people when depressed + don’t see themselves as the center of the damn universe. + They are the center. And not any center. They are sinks + as opposed to sources. It is like the whirlpool effect. + Everything gets sucked down at the center. Hmm.. black + holes perhaps? + + Recently, I have decided not to be a sink but some kind of + statue at the center of the universe. Maybe one day I will + be a source and will inspire and warm and melt and not feel + guilty. But right now, I am just a statue. I am molding + and covered in pigeon excrement. + + + + its amazing to see that some people even when depressed see themselves + as + + the center of the damn universe ……. + +
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and i would like to inform you that i dont need any speach to tell me what it feels like i know probably as much as any of you and i would really dare to say that i know more than most, if i would sit and write a list of all the shit that’s happened to me in my life starting from before i could even talk or protect myself up till this very minute i can say that i Know you wouldnt beleive half of it. yes well recently its been proven quite convincingly and right up front that i am not anything which is what i,ve been telling myself for years, but just to hear it really drives the point in harder – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear wasted away, I would like to inform you that people when depressed don’t see themselves as the center of the damn universe. They are the center. And not any center. They are sinks as opposed to sources. It is like the whirlpool effect. Everything gets sucked down at the center. Hmm.. black holes perhaps? Recently, I have decided not to be a sink but some kind of statue at the center of the universe. Maybe one day I will be a source and will inspire and warm and melt and not feel guilty. But right now, I am just a statue. I am molding and covered in pigeon excrement. + its amazing to see that some people even when depressed see themselves as + the center of the damn universe …….
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oh i have never said that it isnt…the problem is that everyone even the non depressed are similarly afflicted with a slant to how they see things making no one even the truly repulsively evil( not in any kind of religos sense) no more wrong than any one else. so just taking such a thing as "thats just how it is" is really just an avoidance of the issue
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the elephant laughed at the size of his ears the lion he cried from all of their jeers the horse had a cold, and the ducks lost their love the snake liked the thorns and little red buds…. all of a sudden the king understood. ~depression is a very selfish disease, perhaps your self-vision is slighty distorted also. donna "Please forgive all the disturbance I’m creating." Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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actually recently space has been proven to be curved and the universes center is a couple billion light years away from any of us, however in a stricly metaphorical sense we can all be the center of our Perceived universe, but there is a real difference wne dealing with others and the fact is that little miss self rightous arethusa’s pain is not welcome in my brain, i have quite enough of my own to last and i am not above angereing some one back if the push me because if you give some one an inch without fail they will think they can take 2,3 or even 4…..i dont put up with that any more. i was not being rude out of pure anger (althought it is looking like a bad day already) i’ve just always believed that anger and conflict sometimes if handled and delt with right can help as much as anything else, if people would like to be mad at me i’ll damn well give them a reason to and then try to make the whole thing seem very ridiculous to both of us. in other words i was trying to provoke a response because it was the only way to get her to answer me( although she didnt) because she wouldnt any other way. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – its amazing to see that some people even when depressed see themselves as the center of the damn universe ……. arethusa being a wonderfull example Well, Chris Metzler is the expert on these things, but let me speculate a little. If the Universe is infinite in size then any point in it can be considered to be its centre. Each one of us can be considered to be a point in the Universe. Therefore, every one of us is the centre of the damn Universe: denise, me, *you*. Word of advice, kid. Let it go. If reading denise’s posts has a way of triggering you, killfile her. I’m sure she would be happy to return the courtesy. There are enough people here who will try to engage you in a productive dialogue that you don’t need to embroil yourself and denise in a flaming session. OTOH, if you *want* to get the anger out, please take it to alt.support.depression.flame where it belongs. — Tara Ballance Montreal, Canada "Everyone wants to talk to the bloody Druids. What about us witches?"
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the elephant laughed at the size of his ears the lion he cried from all of their jeers the horse had a cold, and the ducks lost their love the snake liked the thorns and little red buds…. all of a sudden the king understood. ~depression is a very selfish disease, perhaps your self-vision is slighty distorted also. donna "Please forgive all the disturbance I’m creating." Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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its amazing to see that some people even when depressed see themselves as the center of the damn universe ……. arethusa being a wonderfull example
Well, Chris Metzler is the expert on these things, but let me speculate a little. If the Universe is infinite in size then any point in it can be considered to be its centre. Each one of us can be considered to be a point in the Universe. Therefore, every one of us is the centre of the damn Universe: denise, me, *you*. Word of advice, kid. Let it go. If reading denise’s posts has a way of triggering you, killfile her. I’m sure she would be happy to return the courtesy. There are enough people here who will try to engage you in a productive dialogue that you don’t need to embroil yourself and denise in a flaming session. OTOH, if you *want* to get the anger out, please take it to alt.support.depression.flame where it belongs. — Tara Ballance Montreal, Canada "Everyone wants to talk to the bloody Druids. What about us witches?"
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its amazing to see that some people even when depressed see themselves as the center of the damn universe ……. arethusa being a wonderfull example
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