Cognitive Theorpy?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if it’s supposed to be so effective for people with depression, it’s got to be able to work on people who believe they are beyond help. Ummm……amiga, I’m VERY familiar with cognitive therapy, and the first thing that you’ve got to understand is that there is no chance of it working until you convince yourself that you are not beyond help. That’s kinda the nature of cognitive therapy. but that’s ridiculous. one of the symptoms of depression is ‘feelings of hopelessness and despair. Well, yes but……it seems that for cognitive to work, the one thing that you have to not feel hopelessness and despair about is the possibility of *something* helping you in the future. well then i’m right. it’s *not* going to work for me. how can i possibly believe that anything is going to help when everything else has singularly failed to. i started out believing something would.
Well, you could be like I was…..I came to the point of being absolutely convinced that nothing would work, but I tried one last thing, just in case. Of course, this is a bit different, because the one last thing that I tried didn’t require that I believe in it in order for it to work. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But now my problems are external to my mind, and I’m not sure that I will find a solution (kinda figure that I won’t), but I’m learning some interesting things about my "friends" nonetheless. But I’m SOL because whenever the problem is external, neither cognitive nor medication will help. it’s never clear cut though. i mean, if you are depressed due to bereavement for example, you could say that was external. but maybe if you weren’t suffering from depression, you would be better able to deal with that problem, and it wouldn’t make you depressed. it’s like saying ‘i’m depressed because of external problems – my life is shit’. there’s external circumstances, right, but how they effect us has surely got a lot to do with the mental state we’re in.
At times yes, at times no. Well…..most of the time you’d be right. But there are definitely times (and I’m in one of them now) where if the external situation were different, I wouldn’t feel bad at all, much less be depressed. And my best guess would be that even if I weren’t depressive, I still wouldn’t be dealing too well with this current situation. Bryan Sin Nombre
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if it’s supposed to be so effective for people with depression, it’s got to be able to work on people who believe they are beyond help. Ummm……amiga, I’m VERY familiar with cognitive therapy, and the first thing that you’ve got to understand is that there is no chance of it working until you convince yourself that you are not beyond help. That’s kinda the nature of cognitive therapy.
but that’s ridiculous. one of the symptoms of depression is ‘feelings of hopelessness and despair. It was after much more study that I found out that cognitive only works when the problem is the person’s thoughts.
suits me … anna xxx
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Is anyone out there giving this a try. If so how is it going? Take care Lynn Hi lynn, Ok, first of all, my psychiatrist just told me I might want to try cognitive therapy. He’s really into the idea of meds but I thought it was cool he would suggest this. So far, I have found no books on it in used bookstores, but I dunno if I am looking in the right place (psychology, self help). Have you got any replies on your post? Also, could you please send me your recipe for lavender ice cream? thank you, chris
Take a look at The Depression Workbook by Mary Ellen Copeland. It outlines how to use cognitive techniques and gives a very good overview of many techniques for maintaining good cyclic health. Sandra – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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Hi, Is anyone out there giving this a try. If so how is it going? Take care Lynn
Hi lynn, Ok, first of all, my psychiatrist just told me I might want to try cognitive therapy. He’s really into the idea of meds but I thought it was cool he would suggest this. So far, I have found no books on it in used bookstores, but I dunno if I am looking in the right place (psychology, self help). Have you got any replies on your post? Also, could you please send me your recipe for lavender ice cream? thank you, chris
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if it’s supposed to be so effective for people with depression, it’s got to be able to work on people who believe they are beyond help.
Ummm……amiga, I’m VERY familiar with cognitive therapy, and the first thing that you’ve got to understand is that there is no chance of it working until you convince yourself that you are not beyond help. That’s kinda the nature of cognitive therapy. When I first learned about cognitive, during the first year of my social work degree, I was in love with the concept, and thought for sure that it would eventually cure me. It was after much more study that I found out that cognitive only works when the problem is the person’s thoughts. When the problem is external…..when there are serious problems *outside* your mind that are causing your depression, then there is only so much that cognitive can do, and very often it can’t do much. If my problem is that I believe that I am absolute shite, cognitive could help me with that. If my problem is that disasters keep happening in my life, and I’m getting weaker and weaker with each disaster that I have to cope with, then cognitive really won’t help me. Bryan Sin Nombre, who REALLY hopes that Anna finds something that will help, especially before she gets to the point where he is right now.
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Hi, Is anyone out there giving this a try. If so how is it going? Take care Lynn
I’ve used a number of the cognitive therapy techniques, and they have worked well for me. Learning that you can identify and work with your triggers and cycles helps you realize that you have more control over your health and life. But it is not easy. If you try it, don’t be disappointed if it doesn’t work as quickly or smoothly as you want. It is like any other exercise: you must practice it regularly and gradually you will see a tremendous difference. Don’t give up if you experience a backslide. It is a therapy that you can combine with any other therapy you are using or want to use. Discover what’s best for you. Sandra
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I spent about a year with a therapist working on cognitive therapy and also EMDR (Eye Movement Desenstization and Reprogramming).
is that the one where you have to move your eyes from left to right rapidly? Mog’s starting that soon, can you tell me what it’s like, coz we’re both kind of aprehensive about it. thanks. Laz x — Laz Spashett / wolfbitch "buried in your psyche is the shadow of a doubt you’re so open-minded that your brains leaked out!" (steve taylor)
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Cognitive Therapy for me is a start….but Cognitive Behavioral therapy works best for me…See marsha Linehan’s book: "Cognitive Behavioral Treatment of Borderline Personality Disorder" even if you’ve not got a personallity disorder, this book is very informative for depressed individuals.(1993, Guilford Press) Joni – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Is anyone out there giving this a try. If so how is it going? Take care Lynn
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} Hi, } Is anyone out there giving this a try. If so how is it going? } } Take care } Lynn
hi lynn my first attempt at therapy was with a counsellor whose only method was behavioural or cognitive therapy. while i learned some very beneficial stuff that helped me deal with my "automatic (negative) thoughts", i found that this particular counsellor was just a little too dogmatic for me, and i found myself having to *justify* my thoughts and opinions to him far too often. i also did not like being told that i had a negative point of view, which was , in his opinion, the biggest part of my problem. however, i am sure that this was just *his* personality, because the theory and practice of the cognitive therapy was very helpful for me. i eventually stopped seeing him, and went to a psychologist, who was better able to meet my needs. good luck rena
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I also think that you’ll get out of it what you put into it, as it requires a bit of work.
oh i will. i’m not so foolish that i would waste my time persuing therapy if i wasn’t going to *try* to make it work. just don’t ask me to be an optimist. if i was an optimist, if i really *believed* it was going to work, i probably wouldn’t need it. if it’s supposed to be so effective for people with depression, it’s got to be able to work on people who believe they are beyond help. anna xxx – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Is anyone out there giving this a try. If so how is it going? Take care Lynn not yet, but i’m going for an assessment on friday, see if they think they can help me. i’m sceptical. but then, i always am. it’s part of my charm ; ) anna xxx
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Hi, Is anyone out there giving this a try. If so how is it going? Take care Lynn
Right now I’m having psycho-analysis therapy. That’s what I need. Have many past issues I have to talk about and work through. I believe those issues are at the origins of my depression and anxiety desorder. Ann
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I spent about a year with a therapist working on cognitive therapy and also EMDR (Eye Movement Desenstization and Reprogramming). All in all, cognitive therapy is good. It works to the degree that it can make the difference sometimes between a shitty day and an ok day. Once you learn the techniques for figuring out what’s going on, you can definitely use it to your advantage, and at the very least it will help you make sense of things. However, recently I got hit with a depressive episode that came on like a hurricane, and it just blew away all that stuff that I picked up from cognitive therapy. I believe that the fundamentals of cognitive therapy are sound, and that it does work, but I also feel that it is not the total solution (nothing in this realm is ). I also think that you’ll get out of it what you put into it, as it requires a bit of work. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Is anyone out there giving this a try. If so how is it going? Take care Lynn not yet, but i’m going for an assessment on friday, see if they think they can help me. i’m sceptical. but then, i always am. it’s part of my charm ; ) anna xxx
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Hi, Is anyone out there giving this a try. If so how is it going? Take care Lynn
not yet, but i’m going for an assessment on friday, see if they think they can help me. i’m sceptical. but then, i always am. it’s part of my charm ; ) anna xxx
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Hi, Is anyone out there giving this a try. If so how is it going? Take care Lynn
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