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Dear List participants, On behalf of the Ontario Women’s Health Council project on Women’s Health Information Resources (Ontario, Canada) I would like to ask for details regarding who is moderating this list and when it was created. Also of interest is where the list is hosted (Country and City). Please understand that I have no wish to intrude on the sensitive nature of the discussions occurring on this list. I am only interested in the history & purpose of the list, not in participating in it. I thank you for your time and understanding. Respectfully, Anabel Quan Haase, research assistant and Christine Marton, project manager
Like Denise said, this is not an e-mail list(serve). This is a usenet newsgroup. The group isn’t moderated or hosted anywhere. You send a message to a newsgroup like alt.support.depression that is carried by your usenet server (you post a message) and it is sent to usenet servers all over the world. Other people can look at the messages in that group on their usenet servers and post responses to their servers that ultimately appear "threaded" under your response when they finally reach your usenet server. Then you can respond to them, and so on. Since this group is not moderated there is really nobody who can speak for the group, it’s history, or it’s purpose. There are several usenet newsgroups related to depression support in one way or another. Below are related usenet newsgroups with the words depression and/or support in them. Only one of them is moderated (ASDRS). There are many more groups related to the topic that don’t have the words depression or support in them (and a few more that do). ASD is probably the group with the most posts per day, and it is probably the oldest of these groups. Sometimes people on a group have a statement about what the group is supposed to be all about. Like right. In the USA there is a constitution. Do you think you can find two people in the US who agree on what it means?? alt.depressed.as.fuck alt.support.depression alt.support.depression.flame alt.support.depression.manic alt.support.depression.medication alt.support.depression.recovery alt.support.depression.recovery.sanctuary alt.support.depression.seasonal alt.support.depression.teens soc.support.depression.crisis soc.support.depression.family soc.support.depression.manic soc.support.depression.misc soc.support.depression.seasonal soc.support.depression.treatment uk.people.support.depression It’s probably not what you are looking for, but a while ago I dug up some history on the origins of ASD….. Sincerely Stewart What is the origin and history of ASD?? (short answer) control message to start a new usenet newsgroup called alt.support.depression. In the body of his message he wrote "Be my depression tonight!". interested in seeing any alt.* groups become fully propagated, so he posted a second control message to help propagate ASD to news servers that might not yet have been carrying it. did the same thing. What is the origin and history of ASD?? (long answer) It is my personal opinion that there is no such thing as an objective history. History must, by definition, be filtered through the story teller’s mind. And in so doing it becomes subjective. To argue the more-or-less objective nature of any one person’s subjectivity is, to me, like trying to argue how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. In the end, it is still simply subjective. Having said all that drivel, here is what I have found out about the origins and history of ASD. I posted to ASD (on more than one occasion between 1996 and 1998) in an effort to find out information concerning the origins, history, and early days of ASD. While I was interested in whatever information people could provide, I was specifically interested in information on who started the group, when it started, why was it started, etcetera. I got a lot of responses (maybe a dozen or so). Many of the respondents mentioned other people that they thought were on ASD before themselves, and all said that ASD predated their own arrival. However, some figured ASD was started around early 1993, and some thought maybe even earlier than that. A good subjective opinion of the early days of "In August ‘94 the group was still small, in the range of ten to thirty messages per day. There was a sense of newness and uncertainty. I remember a thread where some of the people who worked on the formation of the group were wondering if it was a good idea. There was no sense of form, no existing culture other than that of Usenet and alt.* communities. I remember the first time the police were called to stop a suicide. There was an article about it in some Pennsylvania paper. The person saved was very grateful. I remember the first real abusive troll. I remember when it was almost all students and programmers. I remember when Alan Harding declared ASD a Flame-Free Zone. And it worked, for awhile." Since the opinions about when ASD started seemed to conflict, and since it was possible and even likely that it was started more than once, I came to believe that "it may well be that much of the origins of ASD shall remain shrouded in complexity, confusion, and mystery. If so, then it may be an apt metaphor for the origins of depression itself." At some later point I posted my query to a number of "usenet administrative" type newsgroups, and I was pointed to an archive of control messages. From there I found references to the actual "creator" of ASD Gard Abrahamsen. So now, a word from our "sponsor", our "creator" (Jurassic Gard you start ASD, and what did you mean by "Be my depression tonight!"? Gard spoke thusly: ASD was originally thought up by me and my friends in high school, Tore A Klock and Fritjof Haavik. Not having a TOO good time having to sit in the corner in the student society doing calculus home work while everybody was partying, we wanted to put up a big sign saying "Depp" (Norwegian slang for "to be depressed", though it is, in a way, a more _active_ word). We wanted to start "alt.depp", and we even made a FAQ for it. After a discussion on UseNet, however, administrators were more conservative and wanted it under the alt.support hierarchy, and even use the word "depression" fully out. The original idea was to make ASD an area to have fun and even use reverse psychology to help people out of their depressions. If you can’t have fun, let’s make fun of not having fun, and you’ll have fun. Get the drift? I’ll attach the original FAQ below. When I posted the control message, nothing happened. At least not in Norway. Only a year later did I discover that ASD existed, through access to a public system in the US. I then begged one of the Norwegian UseNet administrators to please import that newsgroup. However, at this time, an entire ASD community had already started to form, and seeing what a GREAT group it had become, I kind of left it alone. It had gone way beyond my expectations in the way I saw people support each other, not to mention how people were digging into medicine and psychology. I read the group for a while, but can’t remember if I ever posted anything. After getting busy working and stuff, I was off UseNet for a while, and while I lived in Toronto, I dropped by for a few moments, and emailed a couple of the participants directly. I also saw that someone had started working on an incredible FAQ, and I kind’a felt good about having started something like this, even though I was kept from participating in the group from the beginning. I like what it has become. ;^) Enjoy the FAQ and have fun. The most important part is: SMILE!!! ;^) As for therapy, the movie that changed MY life was "The End of Innocense"… and what changed my life again at a more recent date was #atlantaGA on EFnet – www.ircatlanta.org Gard — The Metaphor Man *and* The Great Defender of the Self (remove the SPAMBLOCK) Please send me an e-mail copy of your posted response.
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Dear List participants, On behalf of the Ontario Women’s Health Council project on Women’s Health Information Resources (Ontario, Canada) I would like to ask for details regarding who is moderating this list and when it was created. Also of interest is where the list is hosted (Country and City). Please understand that I have no wish to intrude on the sensitive nature of the discussions occurring on this list. I am only interested in the history & purpose of the list, not in participating in it. I thank you for your time and understanding. Respectfully, Anabel Quan Haase, research assistant and Christine Marton, project manager
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Dear List participants,
Hell’s teeth! I’m barely connecting with myself, and here’s someone accusing me of participating. Whatever happened to the sanctity of human dysfunction? We shall not, we shall not participate, We shall not, we shall not participate, Just like a rock, ignoring all the water flowing round it, We shall not participate. I did not come here to be insulted; I can do that to myself anytime. (One of the other patients stated that I was a private investigator checking up on her for her psychiatrist. My immediate reaction was to be insulted at not being thought good enough to be Demon-Spawn from Hell. One failed opportunity and I discover that I’ve always wanted to be Demon-Spawn from Hell. It’s a strange old world inside my head, but I’m working on it. If only I could work out how to get the horns to twist properly it would be more convincing, but I can’t seem to get the right heat setting on the curling tongs.) — The opinions given above may be mine. They might also just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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