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can you have both at the same time?

Question:

thank you Ralph, I have been dragging to see my PDoc for a long time but I guess I have to get back on meds. HappyPolarBear

Yes, you can have both at one time. This is

called "Mixed States". You need to tell your PDoc about this ASAP. Mixed states can be the hardest form of bipolar to treat, and the sooner you start, the better. I have mixed states often and its a

bear. I wish you luck. Hugs, Ralph

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wundering if Bipolars can have both moods at the same time. For the first time I am experience some odd moods. In one moment I am up high. talk to everyone and laugh about anything  and in the next moment I start crying for no reasons and fight suicidal thought. People look at me like I went crazy. My hubby has a hard time dealing with it. He doesn’t understand what’s going on and when he asked me why I am answering him stupied I can’t just tell him "I am menatllyl sick". Somehow it feels scarry and I hope it will pass soon. HappyPolarBear

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I hope I don’t get those mixed states to often. If I thought feeling depressed was bad than I was wrong cause this is by far the worse and I have a hard time hidding it. I am in a "I don’t care mood"  Luckily my boss left me alone. I locked myself in the office and starred at my computer thinking off the best way to kill myself – this sounds so crazy and I can’t even tell anyone. I couldn’t even pick up the phone and call cause what I am going to tell them. "Help I am suicidal?" I know those thought are passing but they keep on coming back. Regarding my hubby I love him very much but right now I don’t think it matters if he divorces me anyway I simply suck in anything. He is such a great guy that he deserves someone better than me. Carmen /me still does not understand why all this happened after quitting smoking.

It’s called a "mixed state".  I get them – and

hate them.  They are worse than simple depression or hypomania, because all

the emotions seem to hit at once.  Anger, depression, anxiety,

worthlessness.  I tend to get suicidal thoughts mostly during mixed states.  When I’m

depressed, I really don’t care about anything enough to kill myself.

Being aware of this helps me to cognitively discard those thoughts.   Mixed

states don’t last forever. Suicide does. It’s hard to explain it to other people. Mostly,

I just explain that I get emotions that aren’t rational, or are vast

overreactions to real stimuli. My conscious mind knows that they aren’t

rational, but they feel real, and I can’t not react to them.  It helps that I’ve

become aware of patterns in my moods, so I can warn my husband when I’m likely

to be moody.  That way, if I snap at him for something trivial, he knows that

I’m having a mood episode, I’m not really mad at him.  If there is one

thing I hate more than any other with this disorder, it’s how it effects my

interactions with my husband. Diane message

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wundering if Bipolars can have both moods at the same time. For the first time I am experience some odd moods. In one moment I am up high. talk to everyone and laugh about anything  and in the next moment I start crying for no reasons and fight suicidal thought. People look at me like I went crazy. My hubby has a hard time dealing with it. He doesn’t understand what’s going on and when he asked me why I am answering him stupied I can’t just tell him "I am menatllyl sick". Somehow it feels scarry and I hope it will pass soon. HappyPolarBear

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mixed state or not it just sucks. — and hopefully passes soon. To take hubby with me to the doc is a great idea. However I don’t think he would come, neither do I know how to asked him for it. I already printed lots of staff for him and he read it but he does not believe that I am sick for him is just being moody. But then isn’t what Bipolar is all about? Happy PolarBear in message

I was wundering if Bipolars can have both moods at the same time. Yes, it’s called Mixed State.  I honestly

couldn’t tell you if I had one but it sounds like it to me.  I know others

here have and they’d gladly tell you if they had one and what it is like. It may also be that you are a rapid cycler, but, again, I wouldn’t know if I’d had one.  Others here could tell you better than I. My hubby has a hard time dealing with it. He doesn’t understand what’s going on Mine didn’t either, at first.  I had all the

usual stuff printed out for him to read and I also had him check out all the usual websites. Finally, he went with me to see my pdoc and my

therapist.  And it was amazing…after discussing a med change, my

husband started asking all – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – sorts of questions and the pdoc was kind enough to answer them for him.  He had a much better understanding then. Somehow it feels scarry and I hope it will pass soon. It does.  It’s the only absolute we have.

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I was wundering if Bipolars can have both moods at the same time.

Two things can happen. Firstly you can have extremely rapid cycling, so that you go from manic to depressed in literally five minutes. Secondly you can have "manic defence" which is mania thrown up by the mind to protect itself from depression (thought to be, of course we don’t really know what is going on). This is truly upper and downer at the same time.

Response:

Been there, done that.  Spending day in office thinking of ways to kill myself.  If you actually plan on doing it, hit the panic button – Get Help Now.  Call someone and say "Help, I am suicidal".  Anyone.  Preferably a medical professional, but anyone you trust will do.  You have too much going for you to not fight.  Otherwise, remind yourself as often as possible that the emotions are not "real", they are induced by chemicals in your brain. They will go away.  You may feel despair, but you do not need to actually accept that it is a real, valid emotion, worthy of action.  The feelings of worthlessness are the same.  They are not valid.  Reject them with your mind, even if you can’t reject them with your body.  You may feel that your husband would be better off without you, but he probably feels differently. I know that my husband would rather have a moody me than anybody else in the world – because I’ve asked him, and he’s told me, repeatedly. Fight the feelings with facts.  You are not worthless.  You do not "suck". You can fight this.  It’s called cognitive thinking.  You’ll get very good at it over time.  Everybody feels things that are not rational.  BP’ers just do it more intensely, and more often.  But we can fight the emotions with awareness that they are not real, and they will pass, and we will be okay. The one good thing about mixed states is that they end.  They always end. Diane

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hope I don’t get those mixed states to often. If I thought feeling depressed was bad than I was wrong cause this is by far the worse and I have a hard time hidding it. I am in a "I don’t care mood"  Luckily my boss left me alone. I locked myself in the office and starred at my computer thinking off the best way to kill myself – this sounds so crazy and I can’t even tell anyone. I couldn’t even pick up the phone and call cause what I am going to tell them. "Help I am suicidal?" I know those thought are passing but they keep on coming back. Regarding my hubby I love him very much but right now I don’t think it matters if he divorces me anyway I simply suck in anything. He is such a great guy that he deserves someone better than me. Carmen /me still does not understand why all this happened after quitting smoking.

Response:

Ahhhh… feeling like everything sucks and having enough energy to do something really stupid about it and being grandiose enough to think that what you do is a good idea! I’ve spent a lot of time at that particular resort.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wundering if Bipolars can have both moods at the same time. For the first time I am experience some odd moods. In one moment I am up high. talk to everyone and laugh about anything  and in the next moment I start crying for no reasons and fight suicidal thought. People look at me like I went crazy. My hubby has a hard time dealing with it. He doesn’t understand what’s going on and when he asked me why I am answering him stupied I can’t just tell him "I am menatllyl sick". Somehow it feels scarry and I hope it will pass soon. HappyPolarBear

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Actually saying "I FEEL SUICIDAL!" lifts a hell of a burden off your shoulders. Just go to a nice safe hospital & check in for a little while.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Been there, done that.  Spending day in office thinking of ways to kill myself.  If you actually plan on doing it, hit the panic button – Get Help Now.  Call someone and say "Help, I am suicidal".  Anyone.  Preferably a medical professional, but anyone you trust will do.  You have too much going for you to not fight.  Otherwise, remind yourself as often as possible that the emotions are not "real", they are induced by chemicals in your brain. They will go away.  You may feel despair, but you do not need to actually accept that it is a real, valid emotion, worthy of action.  The feelings of worthlessness are the same.  They are not valid.  Reject them with your mind, even if you can’t reject them with your body.  You may feel that your husband would be better off without you, but he probably feels differently. I know that my husband would rather have a moody me than anybody else in the world – because I’ve asked him, and he’s told me, repeatedly. Fight the feelings with facts.  You are not worthless.  You do not "suck". You can fight this.  It’s called cognitive thinking.  You’ll get very good at it over time.  Everybody feels things that are not rational.  BP’ers just do it more intensely, and more often.  But we can fight the emotions with awareness that they are not real, and they will pass, and we will be okay. The one good thing about mixed states is that they end.  They always end. Diane I hope I don’t get those mixed states to often. If I thought feeling depressed was bad than I was wrong cause this is by far the worse and I have a hard time hidding it. I am in a "I don’t care mood"  Luckily my boss left me alone. I locked myself in the office and starred at my computer thinking off the best way to kill myself – this sounds so crazy and I can’t even tell anyone. I couldn’t even pick up the phone and call cause what I am going to tell them. "Help I am suicidal?" I know those thought are passing but they keep on coming back. Regarding my hubby I love him very much but right now I don’t think it matters if he divorces me anyway I simply suck in anything. He is such a great guy that he deserves someone better than me. Carmen /me still does not understand why all this happened after quitting smoking.

Response:

It may also be that you are a rapid cycler,

Technically "rapid cycling" is defined as having four or more distinct episodes (mania, depression, mixed, etc.) in one year. "Mixed" would likely be the term used to describe the aforementioned symptoms. http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/crcs.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wundering if Bipolars can have both moods at the same time. Yes, it’s called Mixed State.  I honestly couldn’t tell you if I had one but it sounds like it to me.  I know others here have and they’d gladly tell you if they had one and what it is like. It may also be that you are a rapid cycler, but, again, I wouldn’t know if I’d had one.  Others here could tell you better than I. My hubby has a hard time dealing with it. He doesn’t understand what’s going on Mine didn’t either, at first.  I had all the usual stuff printed out for him to read and I also had him check out all the usual websites. Finally, he went with me to see my pdoc and my therapist.  And it was amazing…after discussing a med change, my husband started asking all sorts of questions and the pdoc was kind enough to answer them for him.  He had a much better understanding then. Somehow it feels scarry and I hope it will pass soon. It does.  It’s the only absolute we have.

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However I don’t think he would come, neither do I know how to asked him for it.

I was depressed.  He tells me that I need to pull myself up by the bootstraps, that there is nothing wrong with me.  I got mad.  I had an appointment for later that week, and I simply asked him if he would go with me.  I even made it sound like it was something that I needed him to do and played the "flaky blonde" bit.  I simply said "Dave, I have a doctor’s appointment on Thursday and I’d like you to go with me.  I trust your judgement and I want your opinion on something the doctor keeps telling me."  He agreed and went with me. Once we got in there, I introduced him to my doctor and we started talking about the side effects that I could live with and ones I couldn’t.  (We were changing my mood stabilizer then.)  It didn’t take long for Hubby to realize that it was something I couldn’t help and he began to understand a lot of what was going on with me.  Now, he’s better at judging my moods than I am, and he will often tell you when I’m about to swing the other way long before I realize it or anyone else around me does. But then isn’t what Bipolar is all about?

It is, but I think once he sees and understands that it’s not all just you, that this actually is something you can’t help without the proper medication for yourself, then the light will come on and he will understand a lot more than he did.  For my husband, all the medical jargon was too overwhelming and he had to keep looking up all the terminology.

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I was wundering if Bipolars can have both moods at the same time. For the first time I am experience some odd moods. In one moment I am up high. talk to everyone and laugh about anything  and in the next moment I start crying for no reasons and fight suicidal thought. People look at me like I went crazy. My hubby has a hard time dealing with it. He doesn’t understand what’s going on and when he asked me why I am answering him stupied I can’t just tell him "I am menatllyl sick". Somehow it feels scarry and I hope it will pass soon. HappyPolarBear

Something is going on.  Its called emotional lability.  Talk to your Doctor about it. Troop.

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permanently into the ether: mixed state or not it just sucks. — and hopefully passes soon. To take hubby with me to the doc is a great idea. However I don’t think he would come, neither do I know how to asked him for it. I already printed lots of staff for him and he read it but he does not believe that I am sick for him is just being moody. But then isn’t what Bipolar is all about? Happy PolarBear

Have you tried telling him your pdoc or therapist wants to meet him and help him understand your health issue?  I get mine to go about once a year–but now, he is going to see my therapist for situational depression.  We can gang up on him! LOL–just joking. Nancy Just knockin’ around the zoo. (James Taylor)

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I was wundering if Bipolars can have both moods at the same time.

Yes, it’s called Mixed State.  I honestly couldn’t tell you if I had one but it sounds like it to me.  I know others here have and they’d gladly tell you if they had one and what it is like. It may also be that you are a rapid cycler, but, again, I wouldn’t know if I’d had one.  Others here could tell you better than I. My hubby has a hard time dealing with it. He doesn’t understand what’s going on

Mine didn’t either, at first.  I had all the usual stuff printed out for him to read and I also had him check out all the usual websites. Finally, he went with me to see my pdoc and my therapist.  And it was amazing…after discussing a med change, my husband started asking all sorts of questions and the pdoc was kind enough to answer them for him.  He had a much better understanding then. Somehow it feels scarry and I hope it will pass soon.

It does.  It’s the only absolute we have.

Response:

Maybe a Mixed Episode? http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/mixedep.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wundering if Bipolars can have both moods at the same time. For the first time I am experience some odd moods. In one moment I am up high. talk to everyone and laugh about anything  and in the next moment I start crying for no reasons and fight suicidal thought. People look at me like I went crazy. My hubby has a hard time dealing with it. He doesn’t understand what’s going on and when he asked me why I am answering him stupied I can’t just tell him "I am menatllyl sick". Somehow it feels scarry and I hope it will pass soon. HappyPolarBear

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I was wundering if Bipolars can have both moods at the same time. For the first time I am experience some odd moods. In one moment I am up high. talk to everyone and laugh about anything  and in the next moment I start crying for no reasons and fight suicidal thought. People look at me like I went crazy. My hubby has a hard time dealing with it. He doesn’t understand what’s going on and when he asked me why I am answering him stupied I can’t just tell him "I am menatllyl sick". Somehow it feels scarry and I hope it will pass soon. HappyPolarBear

Response:

It’s called a "mixed state".  I get them – and hate them.  They are worse than simple depression or hypomania, because all the emotions seem to hit at once.  Anger, depression, anxiety, worthlessness.  I tend to get suicidal thoughts mostly during mixed states.  When I’m depressed, I really don’t care about anything enough to kill myself.  Being aware of this helps me to cognitively discard those thoughts.   Mixed states don’t last forever. Suicide does. It’s hard to explain it to other people. Mostly, I just explain that I get emotions that aren’t rational, or are vast overreactions to real stimuli. My conscious mind knows that they aren’t rational, but they feel real, and I can’t not react to them.  It helps that I’ve become aware of patterns in my moods, so I can warn my husband when I’m likely to be moody.  That way, if I snap at him for something trivial, he knows that I’m having a mood episode, I’m not really mad at him.  If there is one thing I hate more than any other with this disorder, it’s how it effects my interactions with my husband. Diane

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wundering if Bipolars can have both moods at the same time. For the first time I am experience some odd moods. In one moment I am up high. talk to everyone and laugh about anything  and in the next moment I start crying for no reasons and fight suicidal thought. People look at me like I went crazy. My hubby has a hard time dealing with it. He doesn’t understand what’s going on and when he asked me why I am answering him stupied I can’t just tell him "I am menatllyl sick". Somehow it feels scarry and I hope it will pass soon. HappyPolarBear

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