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Brief Psychotic Disorder with Postpartum Onset

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Papa Jack wrote in message

<372283FD.F6EB9…@geocities.com>… >Maritza Combes wrote:

============================================================ ========= – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Maritza Combes wrote: >> This is another mental disorder that can be triggered by >> childbearing: >> From the DSM-IV: >> "The essential feature of Brief Psychotic Disorder is a >> disturbance that involves the sudden onset of at least one >> of the following positive psychotic symptoms: delusions, >> hallucinations, disorganized speech (e.g., frequent >> derailment or incoherence) or grossly disorganized or >> catatonic behavior (Criterion A).  An episode of the >> disturbance lasts at least one day but less than a month, >> and the individual eventually has a full return to the >> premorbid level of functioning (Criterion B).  The >> disturbance is not better accounted for by a Mood Disorder >> With Psychotic Features, by Schizoaffective Disorder, or by >> Schizophrenia and is not due to the direct physiological >> effects of a substance (e.g., a hallucinogen) or a general >> medical condition (e.g., subdural hemotoma) (Criterion C)." >> "There appears to be an increased risk of mortality (with a >> particularly high risk of suicide), especially among younger >> individuals." >> Again, childbearing may be hazardous to a woman’s mental >> health.

============================================================ ========= >Papa Jack commented: >You will never win a banana if you continue to cut and paste >from the DSM-IV like this.    #8^)

Sorry, but I did not cut from any web site.  The DSM-IV is not available online. Try again. >I’ve read the quote several times and I still haven’t found >where it says a single word about childbearing triggering >this vague disorder.

Let me help you.  (You can always, incidentally, purchase a copy of the DSM-IV [full text] or the little diagnostic book, the latter which is priced only at about $15.) Anyway, on page 302,  Brief Psychotic Disorder has a "postpartum onset" specifier listed, if the onset "of the psychotic symptoms is within four week postpartum." >Why do you quote from the DSM-IV and >then claim it says things it doesn’t say?

If you don’t believe me, you are more than able to go to the library or bookstore and check out the cites that I provide, if they are from the DSM-IV.  If they are from a journal, you can always go to the nearest university library and check out the articles yourself.  I always provide references, and you can certainly access them since you live in a major city which undoubtedly must have a university nearby. >Anoymous showed that you would mix your quotes and your own >words in ways that gave false impressions of what the quoted >source really said.

Anonymous showed nothing.  Half the time I had no idea what he was saying, and he never qouted *anything* from any journal or the DSM-IV.  Anyone here can spout off opinions, but without any reference that someone can look up, there is nothing but hot air being blown.  If you have a problem with Brief Psychotic Disorder with Postpartum Onset, you can do your own research, and post it with the sources so we can look at them. However, screaming "banana" and "monkey" and "I know more then you do" does nothing on behalf of such a poster–neither does posting from the ABC News web site. >This looks like a variation of that >tactic.  Give a complex quote and then claim it says something >it doesn’t really say.

If you are so disinclined that you cannot get up from your chair and go to the library, it is not my fault. >Why are you so very anxious to prove childbearing is very >dangerous and causes mental illnesses?  What are you trying >to prove?

That childbearing has its risks–but especially, that a woman who will forgo an abortion because of its rare medical or psychological dangers is in for a big surprise when she finds out that childbearing has its attendant risks too. >I’ve know at lease a couple of hundred women >among my family, neighbors, or coworkers who had babies. >I remember three or four who had an extended recovery due to >physical problems.  However, I do not remember a single one >who developed a mental illness as a result of the birth. >There were a couple who were a tad "ditzy" — but they were >that way BEFORE the births.   #8^)

Since there are about 140,000,000 or so women in this country, your sample size is quite small (.00014%).

Response:

Papa Jack: You will never win a banana if you continue to cut and paste from the DSM-IV like this.    #8^) I’ve read the quote several times and I still haven’t found where it says a single word about childbearing triggering this vague disorder.  Why do you quote from the DSM-IV and then claim it says things it doesn’t say?>> Hi PJ:  Maritza is right, you know- postpartum mental illness does occur, and is not rare. If you look in the Index  Medicus under

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