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im sorry for starting this damn thread and creating such dysfunction within our online society. I personally take the blame for everyones anger. All happy? Good. Now let it go. –Coby
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Personally i feel a deep disgust for religion and i know that others do too. That’s my point: You personally feel a deep disgust for religion and you feel that you want to censor other people who are religious because you have an issue with it. That’s *not* okay. I do NOT want that this NG becomes a DUMB preach-NG, and if you don’t want me to begin cursing against your god then you have to stop preaching here (and with "you" i do not mean you, but whoever thinks it is a good idea to preach here). Wait — you are talking to me but also talking to someone else? You’re responding to my post point-by-point, making assumptions about "your god" and preaching and Santa Claus and whatever else, but then you’re saying you’re not talking to me? If you response point-by-point to someone’s post, you are talking to that person. And I don’t appreciate your gross assumptions about what I do and don’t believe in. Stick to the issue. No one is preaching. We’re talking about *one* prayer, a prayer that came from a good place intending to help someone. You hate religious people so much you can’t even see the difference between someone praying and someone preaching. If you are free to preach your god then i am free to curse at him. This is irrelevant to the discussion. Also, I said nothing about the existence my god or your right or lack there of curse anyone’s god. I took issue with you speaking for the entire newsgroup about religion just because you personally have issues. Since i know that this hurts ppl who does believe in god then i do not, but i WANT the same respect back. No one was disrespectful. Go back and reread the post. Someone posted a prayer, you complained, and then the person even apologized for it. You are the one making assumptions about beliefs and mixing up prayer and preaching. If person a. wants to express concern for person b. through a prayer, the only person who should be able to say whether or not it’s appropriate is person b. Ok, think for a moment about this… usually who believes in god thinks that sex between unmarried ppl is bad. They also (very stupidly) think that gay ppl is bad also. If this group becomes a religion (no matter which religion, i do NOT care) based NG then the ppl will feel shame to post their problems here because they would fear of being judged and so this NG will become absolutely USELESS for them. Now, i do not care if you see the risk or not, it does not matter to me, but i see it and i will not allow it. Okay there’s a couple of problems with your argument. First of all, nothing of anything like the situation you are describing happened in this thread. Someone was trying to help through prayer. It was a kind gesture, nonjudging and benign. No one would have paid any attention to it if you hadn’t freaked out. Secondly, you are confusing, again, preaching with a prayer. If someone posts a thread like "All depressed people are going to hell" then you would have a reason to respond. But that’s not this situation. Third, you’re making a ton of assumptions about religions and religious people that I find offensive. Many religious people do not believe being gay is wrong or sex before marriage is wrong. Even if they DO think those things, they are not going to attack others and judge them for their problems (while you, apparently, feel comfortable judging anyone you has a belief in God). There are crazy people in every group, but it’s not fair to judge 90% of the world’s population by their example. Fourth, you are creating an environment where religious people can’t feel free to post their problems without feeling judged. You are doing the very thing that you are afraid the religious people will do to the nonreligious. Fifth, let’s assume that the worst possible thing happens and everyone in this newsgroup starts praying for each other and talking about God — are your beliefs so weak that you can’t even stand to hear someone mention anything about God? Why are you so afraid of people saying things that you don’t like? Why is your urge to try to silence them? Talking about the role of religion in depression is ONE thing, preaching is a totally different thing. Yes, true. And praying and preaching are different things too. A lot of people have used religion to help them get through depression. I don’t think you have a right to try to stifle that. Read what i said above. I do not curse your god, i want the same respect back, so do not preach. Who the hell are you talking to? My god? What? I’m not preaching to anyone. I’m taking issue with your bigotry. I am here from many years now, if i remember well only Thomas has been here longer than me (and maybe some old posters who do not post anymore here but still read), this has always been one of the MAIN rules of the NG. Who are you to decide that it is good to change it? A clear sign of a bad argument is when someone pulls rank and says they’ve been here longer so everything they say counts and everything everyone else says doesn’t. It’s a newsgroup, dude. It is made up of the people talking in it at the moment. Let’s see the FAQ that says you can’t talk about religion or pray or talk to each other about God where appropriate?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Then i have a personal problem with this too. This is NOT a religious NG, there are religious NGs out there but this is NOT a religious NG so please keep prayers and religious bullshitting out of here. Oh grow up. It doesn’t hurt anything. If person a. wants to express concern for person b. through a prayer, the only person who should be able to say whether or not it’s appropriate is person b. This newsgroup should be here for all people and should be talking about depression in all ways, including the role that religion does and doesn’t play into depression. If someone wants to express concern and compassion through prayer, it is as valid as someone handing out amateur medical advice. Just because you personally don’t like that method doesn’t mean you get to tell everyone they can’t do it. Sometimes in life, you have to deal with people saying things you don’t like. Religion, here, is NOT welcome, at all. Religion is NOT welcome to *you.* Speak for yourself, not for the whole group. I, personally, welcome the religious, nonreligious, whatever. I’m not into censoring people. IG. http://www.invisiblegirl.net
You don’t understand. That person is like a troll. If allowed to do so, those like him will make this a religious group. That doesn’t mean spiritual, it doesn’t mean a group that respects others’ religious, it means a preachy christian group. That’s all it will be. If you want a religious group, find one that already is. It’s both important that we’re tolerant of others’ religions, and not allow people to come in here and proselytize.
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Good post, in my opinion. Regards, johannes
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I wanted to apologize for anyone I may have offended with my prayer. I in no way want to push my beliefs on someone else. I think this is small compared to the issue at hand. There is a person who is hurting on the inside and needs help. That is the bigger issue. I just hope they reach out for assistance before its to late. — secondchance27 Posted via Christianlinks.com – The Internets Premier Christian Community. http://www.christianlinks.com secondchance27’s Profile: http://www.christianlinks.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=94 View this thread: http://www.christianlinks.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=66482
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Oh grow up.
I did. Now, if you ppl would stop believing Santa and Jesus… It doesn’t hurt anything.
The fact that it doesn’t hurt you does not mean that it does not hurt anyone. Personally i feel a deep disgust for religion and i know that others do too. I do NOT want that this NG becomes a DUMB preach-NG, and if you don’t want me to begin cursing against your god then you have to stop preaching here (and with "you" i do not mean you, but whoever thinks it is a good idea to preach here). If you are free to preach your god then i am free to curse at him. Since i know that this hurts ppl who does believe in god then i do not, but i WANT the same respect back. If person a. wants to express concern for person b. through a prayer, the only person who should be able to say whether or not it’s appropriate is person b.
Ok, think for a moment about this… usually who believes in god thinks that sex between unmarried ppl is bad. They also (very stupidly) think that gay ppl is bad also. If this group becomes a religion (no matter which religion, i do NOT care) based NG then the ppl will feel shame to post their problems here because they would fear of being judged and so this NG will become absolutely USELESS for them. Now, i do not care if you see the risk or not, it does not matter to me, but i see it and i will not allow it. This newsgroup should be here for all people and should be talking about depression in all ways, including the role that religion does and doesn’t play into depression. If someone wants to express concern and
Talking about the role of religion in depression is ONE thing, preaching is a totally different thing. compassion through prayer, it is as valid as someone handing out amateur medical advice. Just because you personally don’t like that method doesn’t mean you get to tell everyone they can’t do it.
Read what i said above. I do not curse your god, i want the same respect back, so do not preach. Sometimes in life, you have to deal with people saying things you don’t like.
Would you like if this NG would become a NG of ppl who curses your god? No, uh? Same for me, but my role is the opposit. Religion, here, is NOT welcome, at all. Religion is NOT welcome to *you.* Speak for yourself, not for the whole group.
I am here from many years now, if i remember well only Thomas has been here longer than me (and maybe some old posters who do not post anymore here but still read), this has always been one of the MAIN rules of the NG. Who are you to decide that it is good to change it? I, personally, welcome the religious, nonreligious, whatever. I’m not into censoring people.
Then do it through your personal email address and not here. Bye, Luca
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I wanted to apologize for anyone I may have offended with my prayer. I in no way want to push my beliefs on someone else. I think this is small compared to the issue at hand. There is a person who is hurting on the inside and needs help. That is the bigger issue. I just hope they reach out for assistance before its to late.
Thank you for your understanding and kindness, i’m sorry if i reacted violently to your prayer but there are some spammers who do like to upset the people here using god and religion on purpose and i thought you were one of them. Sorry for my mistake. Bye, Luca
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Personally i feel a deep disgust for religion and i know that others do too. That’s my point: You personally feel a deep disgust for religion and you feel that you want to censor other people who are religious because you have an issue with it. That’s *not* okay. I do NOT want that this NG becomes a DUMB preach-NG, and if you don’t want me to begin cursing against your god then you have to stop preaching here (and with "you" i do not mean you, but whoever thinks it is a good idea to preach here). Wait — you are talking to me but also talking to someone else? You’re responding to my post point-by-point, making assumptions about "your god" and preaching and Santa Claus and whatever else, but then you’re saying you’re not talking to me? If you response point-by-point to someone’s post, you are talking to that person. And I don’t appreciate your gross assumptions about what I do and don’t believe in. Stick to the issue. No one is preaching. We’re talking about *one* prayer, a prayer that came from a good place intending to help someone. You hate religious people so much you can’t even see the difference between someone praying and someone preaching. If you are free to preach your god then i am free to curse at him. This is irrelevant to the discussion. Also, I said nothing about the existence my god or your right or lack there of curse anyone’s god. I took issue with you speaking for the entire newsgroup about religion just because you personally have issues. Since i know that this hurts ppl who does believe in god then i do not, but i WANT the same respect back. No one was disrespectful. Go back and reread the post. Someone posted a prayer, you complained, and then the person even apologized for it. You are the one making assumptions about beliefs and mixing up prayer and preaching. If person a. wants to express concern for person b. through a prayer, the only person who should be able to say whether or not it’s appropriate is person b. Ok, think for a moment about this… usually who believes in god thinks that sex between unmarried ppl is bad. They also (very stupidly) think that gay ppl is bad also. If this group becomes a religion (no matter which religion, i do NOT care) based NG then the ppl will feel shame to post their problems here because they would fear of being judged and so this NG will become absolutely USELESS for them. Now, i do not care if you see the risk or not, it does not matter to me, but i see it and i will not allow it. Okay there’s a couple of problems with your argument. First of all, nothing of anything like the situation you are describing happened in this thread. Someone was trying to help through prayer. It was a kind gesture, nonjudging and benign. No one would have paid any attention to it if you hadn’t freaked out. Secondly, you are confusing, again, preaching with a prayer. If someone posts a thread like "All depressed people are going to hell" then you would have a reason to respond. But that’s not this situation. Third, you’re making a ton of assumptions about religions and religious people that I find offensive. Many religious people do not believe being gay is wrong or sex before marriage is wrong. Even if they DO think those things, they are not going to attack others and judge them for their problems (while you, apparently, feel comfortable judging anyone you has a belief in God). There are crazy people in every group, but it’s not fair to judge 90% of the world’s population by their example. Fourth, you are creating an environment where religious people can’t feel free to post their problems without feeling judged. You are doing the very thing that you are afraid the religious people will do to the nonreligious. Fifth, let’s assume that the worst possible thing happens and everyone in this newsgroup starts praying for each other and talking about God — are your beliefs so weak that you can’t even stand to hear someone mention anything about God? Why are you so afraid of people saying things that you don’t like? Why is your urge to try to silence them? Talking about the role of religion in depression is ONE thing, preaching is a totally different thing. Yes, true. And praying and preaching are different things too. A lot of people have used religion to help them get through depression. I don’t think you have a right to try to stifle that. Read what i said above. I do not curse your god, i want the same respect back, so do not preach. Who the hell are you talking to? My god? What? I’m not preaching to anyone. I’m taking issue with your bigotry. I am here from many years now, if i remember well only Thomas has been here longer than me (and maybe some old posters who do not post anymore here but still read), this has always been one of the MAIN rules of the NG. Who are you to decide that it is good to change it? A clear sign of a bad argument is when someone pulls rank and says they’ve been here longer so everything they say counts and everything everyone else says doesn’t. It’s a newsgroup, dude. It is made up of the people talking in it at the moment. Let’s see the FAQ that says you can’t talk about religion or pray or talk to each other about God where appropriate?
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Now this forum is officially trolling ground for these nutters. I guess They will have a lot to fight before this happens.
Fighting sucks. j.
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Now this forum is officially trolling ground for these nutters. I guess They will have a lot to fight before this happens. Fighting sucks. j.
True. It’s not a fight though. I mis-characterized it.
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Then i have a personal problem with this too. This is NOT a religious NG, there are religious NGs out there but this is NOT a religious NG so please keep prayers and religious bullshitting out of here. Oh grow up. It doesn’t hurt anything. If person a. wants to express concern for person b. through a prayer, the only person who should be able to say whether or not it’s appropriate is person b. This newsgroup should be here for all people and should be talking about depression in all ways, including the role that religion does and doesn’t play into depression. If someone wants to express concern and compassion through prayer, it is as valid as someone handing out amateur medical advice. Just because you personally don’t like that method doesn’t mean you get to tell everyone they can’t do it. Sometimes in life, you have to deal with people saying things you don’t like. Religion, here, is NOT welcome, at all. Religion is NOT welcome to *you.* Speak for yourself, not for the whole group. I, personally, welcome the religious, nonreligious, whatever. I’m not into censoring people. IG. http://www.invisiblegirl.net
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im going to OD on Depakote, Zyprexa and alcohol. I assume none oppose. just wanted to tell you where i will be when you dont see me on the group. thanks for being there. –Coby
That’s what you get for assuming. What the hell’s up, Coby?
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Heavenly father, <… Name I Pray Amen!
Thanks for the prayer. Except your Jesus talk was just directed at a Jew, which is something of an insult. Additionally, this is a secular group, proselytizing for any religion isn’t allowed. Thanks for your understanding.
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Additionally, this is a secular group,
I didn’t know that. Where can I read that up? I couldn’t find any charta or FAQs for this group. Regards, j.
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Thanks for the prayer. Except your Jesus talk was just directed at a Jew, which is something of an insult. Additionally, this is a secular group, proselytizing for any religion isn’t allowed.
That’s ridiculous. You can’t say that praying isn’t allowed. And you also can’t say that Cody was offended by the prayer. It seems like you just have a personal problem with someone praying. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for your understanding.
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That’s ridiculous. You can’t say that praying isn’t allowed. And you also can’t say that Cody was offended by the prayer. It seems like you just have a personal problem with someone praying.
Then i have a personal problem with this too. This is NOT a religious NG, there are religious NGs out there but this is NOT a religious NG so please keep prayers and religious bullshitting out of here. Religion, here, is NOT welcome, at all. Bye, Luca
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In Jesus Name I Pray Amen!
1) This is NOT a religious NG so keep your prayers and your believings out of here 2) This is NOT a christian-only NG for this reason any religion-related topic (christian or not) here is out of place and might be higly offensive to someone 3) If you want to pray your god do it elsewhere, there is absolutely NO NEED to post it, especially here 4) Fix your signature Bye, Luca
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I personally dont find it offensive, but as has been stated before, there are people from many different faiths in this NG and it is best to keep religeous talk out of here completely, so that it never has to become an issue.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the prayer. Except your Jesus talk was just directed at a Jew, which is something of an insult. Additionally, this is a secular group, proselytizing for any religion isn’t allowed. That’s ridiculous. You can’t say that praying isn’t allowed. And you also can’t say that Cody was offended by the prayer. It seems like you just have a personal problem with someone praying. Thanks for your understanding.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the prayer. Except your Jesus talk was just directed at a Jew, which is something of an insult. Additionally, this is a secular group, proselytizing for any religion isn’t allowed. That’s ridiculous. You can’t say that praying isn’t allowed. And you also can’t say that Cody was offended by the prayer. It seems like you just have a personal problem with someone praying. Thanks for your understanding.
Praying is a form of meditation, public prayer is something altogether different. Even the bible calls it insincere. In the very least it’s a public display, in this case it’s spam or as I said, proselytizing. This is not a religious group. Don’t confuse this with a depressed Christian teenager who wants to post here not being welcome. Of course they are, but it’s important to recognize that not everyone is religious or Christian, and this is certainly no place to try to convert others. It’s also important to note that those who are religious (and suffering from depression) may benefit from looking to their religion for solace and philosophy and tools to help with their depressed state. There are many places to look for that, there’s websites, there’s your church or other churches or youth organizations, etc.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In Jesus Name I Pray Amen! 1) This is NOT a religious NG so keep your prayers and your believings out of here 2) This is NOT a christian-only NG for this reason any religion-related topic (christian or not) here is out of place and might be higly offensive to someone 3) If you want to pray your god do it elsewhere, there is absolutely NO NEED to post it, especially here 4) Fix your signature Bye, Luca
Fix it? did you see that they’re posting every thread in this NG on their web site? That’s creepy as hell. Now this forum is officially trolling ground for these nutters. I guess there’s nothing we can do, but I think the concept of this forum is finally destroyed by putting it under the microscope of these pricks.
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It’s also important to note that those who are religious (and suffering from depression) may benefit from looking to their religion for solace and philosophy and tools to help with their depressed state. There are many places to look for that, there’s websites, there’s your church or other churches or youth organizations, etc.
Of course there’s always the chance that one’s religion is the source of their depression and/or anxiety.
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Fix it? did you see that they’re posting every thread in this NG on their web site?
No, i usually stay away from such idiotic websites… 
That’s creepy as hell.
I agree. It is sad how this kind of ppl preaches respect and fraternity love and has absolutely respectless behaviours tovards others. Not only, the history has shown how religion [of any kind] committed incredible and unbelievable crimes and sufference (and still does it) all over the world. Still… they believe to talk and act in the name of their god. If this is true, their god is incredibly cruel or incredibly stupid. Now this forum is officially trolling ground for these nutters. I guess
They will have a lot to fight before this happens. there’s nothing we can do, but I think the concept of this forum is
Well… maybe there is nothing we can do… but we can make their goal hard to reach. finally destroyed by putting it under the microscope of these pricks.
Their pointless and useless opinion does not matter even though i agree that ASDT could be seriously damaged by this kind of ppl. Bye, Luca
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fix it? did you see that they’re posting every thread in this NG on their web site? No, i usually stay away from such idiotic websites… That’s creepy as hell. I agree. It is sad how this kind of ppl preaches respect and fraternity love and has absolutely respectless behaviours tovards others. Not only, the history has shown how religion [of any kind] committed incredible and unbelievable crimes and sufference (and still does it) all over the world. Still… they believe to talk and act in the name of their god. If this is true, their god is incredibly cruel or incredibly stupid. Now this forum is officially trolling ground for these nutters. I guess They will have a lot to fight before this happens. there’s nothing we can do, but I think the concept of this forum is Well… maybe there is nothing we can do… but we can make their goal hard to reach. finally destroyed by putting it under the microscope of these pricks. Their pointless and useless opinion does not matter even though i agree that ASDT could be seriously damaged by this kind of ppl. Bye, Luca
What they’re doing is making it seem like we’re posting on their site. There’s no indication that they’re stealing our test from here and that they’re posting it there. This sort of dishonesty is par for the course for these dim wits. No one will use their shitty site so they have to cheat and steal from somewhere else. What shitty dishonest people. Maybe I’ll make some statement on our faq about copyright rights of posters so then there’s a law they’re breaking, as it is it’s probably legal, but just typically dishonest.
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Heavenly father, You know this child has a lot of hurt going on inside to thing about hurting themselves. Lord help this person to know that they are loved and there are people who are willing to give the help they need. Lord I pray we’re not to late and hope this individual has not done the unthinkable. Lord give this person strength and help them to know things will get better and they just need to get some help. In Jesus Name I Pray Amen! — secondchance27 Posted via Christianlinks.com – The Internets Premier Christian Community. http://www.christianlinks.com secondchance27’s Profile: http://www.christianlinks.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=94 View this thread: http://www.christianlinks.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=66482
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im going to OD on Depakote, Zyprexa and alcohol. I assume none oppose. just wanted to tell you where i will be when you dont see me on the group. thanks for being there. –Coby — Reality is only just a word. — Harry Chapin
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yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Peter .
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – im going to OD on Depakote, Zyprexa and alcohol. I assume none oppose. just wanted to tell you where i will be when you dont see me on the group. thanks for being there. –Coby — Reality is only just a word. — Harry Chapin
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you know, i used to be able to cope. i could always see a way out, somewhere along the line..somewhere in the future. i believed everything would be okay one day and i would be able to escape whatever was wrong at the time. but then it really hits you eventually that the thing that is wrong, the thing that is *always* wrong and causes all the pain and hurt that seems to follow wherever you go, that thing is just yourself…and then it’s just funny really..in a hysterical, shit i’m totally trapped and it’s always going to be like this, kind of way. really feel like i’m completely losing it. everything is wrong and everything feels like one big trap that i can’t get out of. its so stupid..i feel almost claustrophobic all the time, even outside, in the park when nobody else is around. i feel trapped and caught and stuck and i can’t fight anymore because it just gets worse. it’s like somewhere along the line you just have to accept that the way things are and have been for so long, is the way they are always going to be. and people then think you have given up, but it’s really just stopping and resting after fighting and trying and not getting anywhere except in worse and worse of a situation. i guess if i take i step back and look at it, it’s really not that bad and i should be grateful for all i have… but material things…even other people like friends and family..they just can’t fix something inside that is broken. something invisable and …this is stupid. but i don’t even want to try sleeping again because the dreams are back and the waking up paralysed. it went away for a while..but shit just loves to come back when you really can’t take anymore. so i guess i’ll just ramble on until i think i’ve depressed you all enough… okay i’m done. ruth ^^^^^ "And in the beginning there was nothing.. which exploded." ~Terry Pratchett
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"And in the beginning there was nothing.. which exploded." ~Terry Pratchett
Things can change from nothing and because of no reason to something else. ((((((((Ruth)))))))) J. http://193.171.249.108/~jrichter/ <- Nice quotes and so.. http://petition.eurolinux.org for a software patent free europe
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so i guess i’ll just ramble on until i think i’ve depressed you all enough… okay i’m done.
"How did you do that? I did nothing, I just let you do it" – some Star Trek Movie’ish! You can’t push or exchange emotions, they are yours for better or worse. However, if you help me explore my own emotions – then you dont have to be sorry but proud, for many have failed to do that.
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You mean that those who failed at helping you exploring your emotions should feel or say sorry?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – so i guess i’ll just ramble on until i think i’ve depressed you all enough… okay i’m done. "How did you do that? I did nothing, I just let you do it" – some Star Trek Movie’ish! You can’t push or exchange emotions, they are yours for better or worse. However, if you help me explore my own emotions – then you dont have to be sorry but proud, for many have failed to do that.
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You mean that those who failed at helping you exploring your emotions should feel or say sorry?
No, not at all
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